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Posted 06 November 2007
 

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Does the Hospitality Trade have any indication of a ball park figure on TIP earnings for staff?

If TIPS are cash handouts then the onus is on the staff member to declare it in their tax returns at the end of each year.

For those of you that add it to payroll then surely it's different to worked hours and treated as a 'bonus' and taxable at 20%

Having said that, read this Wikipedia article which explains how the UK and US treat Tipping - towards the bottom of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip

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Post #665
Posted 06 November 2007
 

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Am I right in thinking that a service charge is not enforceable in the UK, can a customer not refuse to pay an SC?

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Post #666
Posted 06 November 2007
 

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Interesting questions being asked by the Admin Team.

In the UK, you are able to ask for the service charge to be taken off if you are not satisfied with the level of service that you have received. You are also quite within your right to not pay the food bill in it's entirety if you are not satisfied with it. You must however, make an attempt to pay for what you think the food was worth and leave your contact details. I have never actually heard of the latter happening though!!

With regard to tips, there is absolutley no way of benchmarking how much a member of staff in the hospitality industry will receive, as every business is different, and every business handles their tips in a different way. Already written on this thread are those who let their team sort them out amongst themselves, others are managed centrally with tax and employers NI paid from the fund. Some businesses will let just the waiting and bar staff keep tips, other businesses share theirs with chefs, kitchen porters and management.
Post #667
Posted 06 November 2007
 

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Thats it then - I will keep all tips for myself and pay tax - simple takes all the guess work out really -

Dont include tips is the message I'm getting loud and clear, my only issue is that an employer may go "legal" and insist that they are to prop up a poor rate of pay and will use the UK president to fight his or her corner

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Posted 07 November 2007
 

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Because the industry has handled tips in such a varied manner throughout it's history, whichever way the legislation goes, someone will be unhappy. This may be the employee or the employer, and will, again, vary between businesses.

Perhaps the industry should bank tips as a revenue stream, and simply pay the NMW. I would imagine that this will dry up gratuities offered by guests for good service rather quickly.
Post #674
Posted 07 November 2007
 

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Straightbat (07/11/2007)

Because the industry has handled tips in such a varied manner throughout it's history, whichever way the legislation goes, someone will be unhappy. This may be the employee or the employer, and will, again, vary between businesses.

Perhaps the industry should bank tips as a revenue stream, and simply pay the NMW. I would imagine that this will dry up gratuities offered by guests for good service rather quickly.

I think you might be right on that on !!!

Post #675
Posted 08 November 2007
 

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Advice from the Tresury

Under the Income Tax Law, if an employer is involved in the collection and distribution of tips for employees then he is obliged to include those in the ETI returns and to deduct tax accordingly. If there is an arrangement amongst the staff themselves, and the employer is not involved, then there is no such obligation. There is still an obligation, of course, on the employees themselves to declare the tips but it would be naive to imagine that they will all do so to the full extent and, in any event, workers who are only here for the season will be gone before we would have the chance to assess the tips We are in the process of considering whether we should include tips in the Coding Notices of employees in the hostelry, and similar, industries, as a matter of course, in order to counter the avoidance/evasion of tax on tips, as far as possible. This is something for the future, however. On the basis that an employer could only, reasonably, be required to operate the minimum wage on the basis of what he knows about then, clearly, he could not take account of tips which are earned by his employees and the collection and distribution of which is something not under the control of the employer himself. If so, for those employers who do collect/distribute tips to their employees, there is, indeed, an element of disparity if those tips are included in the calculation of what constitutes the minimum wage.

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Many thanks for the info on tips and tax.

A great deal of employers do control tips and pay tax accordingly. My fear would be that if Tax decided to make an inclusion for tax anyway, you could say hello to a service charge by restaurants etc. to cover it. My thoughts are dangerous ground for all.

In my mind tips should not be included in a minimum wage, to be honest, my feelings are that rates of pay for staff are pretty close if not in excess of a minimum wage anyway. (My industry)

As long of you are happy with the TAX contribution being made then I would let sleeping dogs lie. It is a complicated situation at the best of times, my restaurant staff and 2 chefs get tips but no other member of staff does so to police such a thing would be problematic

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